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Comment of the week: Surely economics is, and economists are, better than this

Peter Radford commenting on The GFC, the Great Recession and three structural changes in the US economy

All these three speak to an underlying common theme: the widespread acceptance throughout the ‘elites’ within policy making, business, and academia of the meld between neoclassical orthodoxy and individualist politics to create a powerful ideology. This ideology enabled the structural changes you speak about.

It became taboo to question the kind of outcomes you mention because those outcomes were deemed beyond the remit of orthodox economics. We had to accept them as they were, as long as ‘markets’ were unencumbered by government or other institutional infringements, and as long as the public could be persuaded that government ‘was a problem’, to paraphrase Reagan. The neat fit between positive economics and anti-government politics was made complete by the Lucasian project, which seems purposely designed to me, as an outsider, to be unreconstructed laissez-faire in a mathematical disguise. 

The redistributive consequences of this intellectual and political triumph can hardly be a shock. Especially when we consider the depth to which that combined ideology permeated. It altered the way in which businesses run themselves, it altered the way banks manage risk and view their role, it altered the public’s view of social programs, and it altered the tolerance for inequality throughout society.

From my perspective and given these kinds of outcomes, ‘positive economics’ was anything but positive.

Within my own limited experience – in banking – this dogma was especially pernicious.

Having bought into the neoclassical market magic mythology, the banks went about incorporating the technological by-products of that theory. That theory begat technology designed to alter the real world to look like the idealized environment used as the basis for theorizing. Risk models were based upon EMH, not on the real world. Economists were hired in droves not for their understanding of economies, but for their math skills. It was simply presumed that those skills were synonymous with economic know-how.

That orthodoxy is indifferent to outcomes provided convenient cover to those who could game the system. It gave them intellectual protection – and moral sanitization – from their relentless pursuit of wealth.

Bankers forgot that they are mere intermediaries, supposedly allocating capital to socially beneficial – efficient? – ends, and, instead, realized they could invent markets to absorb that capital for their own ends. Bankers stopped accepting risk, and, instead, realized that orthodox theory told them they could eliminate it. Once across that threshold the recent history of finance is easy to understand: it becomes a self sustaining activity, or an end use for capital rather than an intermediating activity.

Having lived through this sea change in banking the lesson I have learned is this:

When you strip away the social and political embeddedness of economic systems in an effort to enforce ‘rigor’, and in order to pursue a formalism or scientism in your theorizing, you have stripped away any resultant theory’s relevancy. You have abstracted away the very humans who populate the markets whose mysteries you are seeking to unlock. You have simplified your ideas to the point of absurdity. You have demonstrated an almost pathological disdain for reality. And your blind pursuit of the chimera of efficiency prevents you from making any statements about actual systems or the processes by which wealth is created or allocated because they are not efficient.

Above all else I have learned that an indifference to the outcomes of ‘efficiency’ is not a badge of intellectual rigor, it is an avoidance of reality and, worse, an admission of moral bankruptcy.

Surely economics is, and economists are, better than this.

  1. Keith Wilde
    July 15, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    As a very recent reader of the Blog, I am confused by the identity of Peter Radford. Here he sounds like a banker; in some previous posts (What should we tell the students?) he sounds more like a professor. I would like to get clarity on this because I am in the process of cleaning up a presentation on “what’s wrong with economics?” that I made last week at a conference of the World Future Society in which I made abundant use of very recent postings to this site.

    • Peter Radford
      July 15, 2010 at 6:26 pm

      Keith: Allow me to clarify. I worked in banking, and for a time was the ‘Chief Economist’. The remainder of my time was involved in planning, strategy, and finance. This has given me a very practical perspective. When I left banking 15 years ago my original purpose was to research the economics of the business firm. That has subsequently become a much broader interest in the future of the subject as a whole. It is because economics informs policy and business that I believe its theorists, practitioners, and teachers have a responsibility to ensure it engages rather than ignores the real world. Hence my involvement here, and my concern for what is taught to students.

      • Keith Wilde
        July 20, 2010 at 12:04 pm

        Thanks to Peter Radford for explaining the background of his concern for what is presented to students.

  2. July 15, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Starting from the tautology

    pQ = mV –> dq/q + dQ/Q = dm/m + dV/V

    dm/m = dL/L + dP/P where L = loans to finance output and

    dP/P is inflation.

    let D = debt percentage = L/pQ so that L = DpQ and

    dL/L = dD/D + dp/p + dQ/Q

    Collecting 0 = dD/D + dP/P + dV/V –> (d(DV)/dt)/DV = -(dP/dt)/P

    In 1961, my father bought a Buick for $4000. A comparable 2010
    model costs $36,000, so (dP/dt)/P = ln(9)/49 = .045 = 4.5%

    So, DV = exp(-.045t) –> 0

    This mean that inflation causes output to go to zero.

  3. July 16, 2010 at 6:37 am

    Except for its most elite levels, which most Economists never approach, Math is a rather blunt instrument when it comes to analyzing human behavior. We’re too complex.

    If it were easy, well there would be accurate models for baseball careers given the mountains of empirical statistical evidence about their performance. But no models exist, despite the millions of dollars at stake.(I spent many years attempting such models, as a hobby)

    Now throw in the general poor quality of economic statistics and an infinite number of human interactions. It ain’t happening but in the most crude of ways.

    • Bernard Mallia
      July 16, 2010 at 10:57 am

      Purple, I do not thionk it is a question of complexity … complexity can be modelled, although, as you rightly point out at the end of your post, many models are path-dependent and would therefore depend on the accuracy by which you can measure the initial position.

      The issue, I think, is one of determinacy. Math is deterministic. Even probability is deterministic if it is to feature as an equation. Parametrisation does not do away with this problem. It all boils down, therefore, to determinism against free will, and this is a consequence of early neoclassical economics’ physics envy that tried to apply classical mechanics based on invariability of universal laws to the social realm where laws can be broken by wilful individuals.

  4. Merijn Knibbe
    July 16, 2010 at 7:30 am

    Dear purple,

    I’m interested in ‘the general poor quality of economic statistics’. Can you explain why you’re having this opinion?

    I mean, there surely are problems an anomalies (to give only one example: according to the quarterly data on USA productivity, productivity in the fourth quarter rose only half (!) as much as in the other quarters between 1947 and 2008. Also, these data do not always add up to yearly productivity (and these differences are not small!). I discovered this when I was tinkering with quarterly productivity changes – I stopped, the data are just not good enough (or I do not understand them well enough).

    But despite these problems – we do need the data and often, statistics are good as well as important! The cash flow management data in Collins, D., ‘Portfolio of the poor’ show beyond all doubt that the problem of the ‘mutual coincidence of want’ which, according to ‘simplenomics’ is solved by the phenomenon of money, is even with (and in fact because of) money still very alive and very kicking for the poor, and large amounts of time and effort are spent by these 2,5 billion people or so to cash flow management (they save all the time, the borrow all the time in very many ways). The problem of being poor is not just a low income – it’s also a cash problem (The ‘tripple whammy’ of the book). We wouldn’t have realized this as deeply without the statistics assembled by visiting poor households every 15 days for a period of a year.

    Summarizing and in mnsho: economic data and statistics can be excellent as well as important – even calling into question widely accepted theories! The economic statistics of ‘portfolios of the poor’ implicate that we do have to integrate cash flow (‘flow of funds’, on the national scale) in the very definition of money, in our theory of consumer demand and whatever!

    We just have to go out and assemble them – and teach our students how to do this.

    Merijn Knibbe

  5. July 16, 2010 at 9:52 am

    The question is does Peter Radford et al have real answers to address the status quo? It is simply NOT good enough to go over old ground again, and again, and again…without coming up with original solutions.. rather than the same tired old ones. Rediculous!

    What needs to be credibly developed NOW as in no other time in human history is a non-debt economic system to deal with many serious social, economic, and political problems. With the help of “experts” this should be possible.

    • Bernard Mallia
      July 16, 2010 at 11:08 am

      Robert,

      While I do see your point, you must also bear in mind that until the problem (the real one – and not the supposed one) is recognised any attempts at finding solutions (and many have been proposed) will be futile because they will not be implemented.

      Once you diagnose the problem correctly, the solution is almost obvious as all one has to do is to find the better way of dealing with it. If the problem is misdiagnosed, however, any efforts made will fail again.

      Until the nature of the problem is widely agreed upon by everyone, therefore, I do not think that spelling it out is so ridiculous.

      • July 16, 2010 at 1:17 pm

        Bernard Mallia,

        Yes, but the diagnosis has been bandied around so many times to so many people on the internet, and other media. Yet, the solutions (with some “orignal” input on the rarest of occasions!)I think can be too over-cautious to a level of redicule that indecision par excellence becomes almost inevitable…even at the policy-making level!

        Most important of all apart from trying to rein in the banks more, are the really big issues such as poverty, global warming, population, et al…..! Is our present capitalist debt based system really capable of dealing with it all?

    • Peter Radford
      July 16, 2010 at 2:33 pm

      Robert: Having real answers presupposes that we are asking the right questions. Orthodoxy has become entrenched so deeply precisely because it developed answers – that we may disagree with – to its own questions. It defined both the problem and the solution in an extraordinarily limited way. To the exclusion of things such as debt, which is something you care deeply about.

      Before we leap to claim to have the ‘real answers’ I think we need to ensure that we have a comprehensive discussion about which questions to ask. Including debt levels etc.

      This implies redefining economics to open it up from its current constraints and to make it more inclusive. Yet this inclusion has to be accompanied by an agreement about the new foundation as well – the end result of an open economics surely should not simply be an incoherent mix of sometimes contradictory positions.

      I have no illusions about the ease of this task, nor about the difficulty we will all have in letting go of some of our long held positions as we seek to coalesce around the open economics as it develops.

      So: no I do not have the answer. I don’t think anyone does. Yet.

  6. rjw
    July 18, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    I was lucky enough to study economics at a university that emphasised the contested nature of the subject, and the fact that different schools of thought each had insights to offer. I also spent a lot of time on the philosophy of social science, and to cut a long story short became convinced of the benefits of pluralism. This is why the mainstream insistence on such a specific set of methodoligcal approaches as constituting ‘scientific’ economics is so depressing.

    But how to fix it ? One could discuss this endlessly. I would of course love economics programmes to revert to a model such as the one I was lucky enough to go through, but I fear that is a longer term goal. In the shorter run, we need to insist more on the study of history as a major component of economics degrees.

    The history of financial crises, the history of how major economies developed and why their structures are different, and the history of countries that have successfully developed more recently and how they overcame the constraints that they faced (I’m thinking Japan, Korea, Taiwan etc).

    A close study of all these areas shows a glaring light on the inadequacies of major parts of the mainstream orthodoxy.

    In my view we won’t get a long way arguing that mainstream theory is inadequate by virtue of it’s internal flaws. It’s grip is too tight to buckle under that kind of assault. The best route to follow is to try to build the argument that history shows it just ain’t so, and that (subsequently) other schools of thought have something to offer. And the first step is to get students reading more economic history, and thinking about it.

  7. July 20, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    Excellent article. It sums up my feelings exactly. Tunnel vision and moral bankruptcy are the order of the day in both finance and economics.
    The upcoming pain will hopefully get things back on track.
    Helge

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