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Creationists, Flat-Earthers, and Deficit Hawks

from Dean Baker

Sometimes it can be fun to get inside a crazy worldview to ask how they deal with contradictory evidence. For example, how do creationists reconcile their view that all plants and animals were created in their current form around 10,000 years ago with fossil evidence of life forms dating back hundreds of millions of years?

In this vein, it’s worth asking how the proponents of deficit-reduction think that lower deficits will lead to increased growth and job creation in an economy mired in a severe slump. There is not an easy answer.

There is a standard econ 101 story about how reducing deficits can boost the economy. The theory goes that if the government reduces its deficit, and therefore borrows less, it will reduce interest rates. Lower interest rates will in turn give firms incentive to invest more.

Lower interest rates should also cause the dollar to decline, since it will make U.S. government bonds and other dollar assets less attractive to foreign investors. If the dollar falls in value then our goods will be more competitive on world markets. This will cause us to import less and export more, thereby creating jobs.

However is this what the deficit hawks believe will happen now? The interest rate on 10-year Treasury bonds is already down to 3.0 percent. Assuming a 2 percent inflation rate, this translates into a real rate of about 1 percent.

How much lower do the deficit hawks think interest rates will fall if we were to sharply cut the deficit? Furthermore, how much more investment do they think we can induce even if we got a large (e.g. 0.5 percentage point) reduction in real interest rates?

Do they think that this sort of decline in interest rates will send the dollar tumbling and thereby improve our trade balance? Against which currencies will a lower interest rate cause the dollar to fall sharply?

Neither of these stories really passes the laugh test. At best we may hope to see modestly lower interest rates if cutting the budget deficit slows growth further. But there is no reason to expect any future decline to have any more impact than the recent decline in the 10-year Treasury rate from 3.6 percent in the winter to near 3.0 present this month.

There is another story that the deficit hawks occasionally push. This one says that if we lay off workers in the public sector that it will increase employment in the private sector.

The story here is presumably that mass layoffs of public sector workers will depress the wages of workers further, thereby making it more profitable for employers to hire them. There’s a simple problem in this picture. In order for wages to actually fall, the additional employment in the private sector must not be as large as the job loss in the public sector.

In other words, if we lay off 500,000 public sector workers, then the private sector must increase employment by less than 500,000 workers, otherwise wages would rise, not fall, and businesses would then not have any incentive to hire more workers. This means that this route of economic stimulus through government cutbacks can at best get us close to where we were before the layoffs. It is not a way to add jobs to the economy. And even in a best-case scenario it would take a considerable period of time to get close, since wages do not fall quickly.

Neither of these channels sounds very promising, as almost any serious person would have to acknowledge. This leaves the mystery channel of bad feelings. This story goes that businesses feel bad about the deficit. They are worried that they might pay higher taxes in the future, there could be inflation, or the government could collapse. For these reasons, businesses that would otherwise be investing their hefty profits are instead sitting on them.

There are two problems with the bad feelings story. First businesses actually are investing at a pretty healthy rate. There was huge overbuilding of structures in the real estate boom, but investment in equipment and software as a share of GDP is almost back to its pre-recession level. Given the excess capacity in this sector, we really should be asking why investment is so high, not why it is low.

The second problem with this story is that the fear of higher taxes in the future is a good reason for businesses to try to invest and earn profits now. When the Congressional Budget Office used various models to examine the impact of Bush-type tax cuts, the ones that showed the most positive effects were ones that assumed the tax cuts would be temporary. This effectively pulled investment and work effort forward into the low tax period. The point is that if people really believed they would pay much higher taxes in the future, then they should be working hard and investing today, the opposite of the deficit hawk story.

So at the end of the day, we don’t have a coherent story as to how reducing the budget deficit will boost growth just as the creationists don’t have a coherent explanation for what we know about the plant and animal kingdoms. The big difference is that the deficit hawks are determining economic policy.

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  1. paolo leon
    June 13, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    They actually think that a lower public debt will provide more room for private debt, and this may imply more effective demand. Unfortunately it is investment that makes debt increase, not the other way around, just as it is loans that create deposits, and public deficits, and debt, that create new demand.
    Paolo Leon

  2. Georg R. Baumann
    June 13, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    Just for fun, assuming the astronomical bailouts / debts for citizens into for banks in the USA, EU, and to be roughly 14 trillion to date, and taking a one dollar note at a length of 6.14 inches, it would add up to the total length of 2,183,384,000 km. – 14,5 times the distance to the sun, or 2,840 round trips earth-moon. –

    This is not taking into account the cost of austerity, which I had trouble make useful figures on, but I guess we can safely add a couple of more rounds.

    I know, surreal, but helpful perhaps to picture this insanity that is performed by an tiny elitist minority, pushing entire societies into a form neo feudalism.

  3. Georg R. Baumann
    June 13, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    sorry for typos… a edit function would be useful

  4. Ken Zimmerman
    June 13, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    I must take seriously what the “deficit hawks” as well as the “creationists” say. I cannot dismiss it as stupidity, insanity, duplicity, or just a love for feudalism. Although it may include parts of all of these. I’m involved in ethnographic research in both areas. Primary for so called deficit hawks is: 1) just like an individual person a country that cannot or will not pay its bills is doomed; 2) business transactions are based primarily on trust – over borrowing is a violation of that trust; 3) failing to pay as you go is what caused the current recession; 4) businesses that don’t have balanced budgets should have trouble attacting investors; 5) for markets to function effectively governments should prevent over borrowing and leveraging. Also, a return to the gold or some similar standard would be a positive development. Many of those opposing large or continuing deficits also want to shrink the size and functional reach of government. They also often emphasize individual responsibilty for one to take care of him/herself and family. They are prepared to accept deaths and suffering for people who fail this responsiblity, especially if these teach that government will not substitute for individual actions and involvement.

    • Mike Meeropol
      June 15, 2011 at 2:20 pm

      Ken Zimmerman’s results indicate a serious failure on the part of the educational establishment and I lay particular blame on our profession. Virtually every one of the points he has collated from the “deficit hawk” groups he has studied is the result of profound ignorance — I don’t think ignorance is the result of stupidity.

      Our job as people who know something about economics is to make sure that all of these misconceptions are answered — rather than pandered to by even “our side” politicians.

      1) A country can always pay its bills if it is willing to tax itself. Greece is a counter-example because Greece does not have its own currency. The US (and Japan even more so) can always print its own currency to pay its bills and tax itself as well. Just look at how many “bills” the US was able to pay during and after World War II when the National Debt topped out at GREATER than the US GDP. Individuals have to pay their bills because their creditors know they will die some day and will refuse to roll over loans forever. A successful corporation and a nation will have creditors rolling over debt gladly — just as international creditors are doing now with the US debt and Japan’s creditors continue to do despite a much higher debt to GDP ratio. All this needs to be spelled out for our fellow citizens.

      2) Over-borrowing is a vague term. It is much more applicable to the over-borrowing by private sector financial institutions during the housing bubble than to governments which have the power to tax.

      3) The current recession was caused by widespread fraud as the housing bubble inflated. It had nothing to do with government deficit spending.

      4) No business worth its salt has a balanced budget. All capital investments are amortized — As Robert Eisner showed in HOW REAL IS THE FEDERAL DEFICIT if the US government had a capital budget, most of what looks like a budget deficit would evaporate. If it’s okay for individuals to borrow to go to college and set up (or expand) a business, it is also okay for the Federal Government to borrow to do basic scientific research, expand colleges and universities, build bridges, railroads, airports and highways, etc. etc.

      5) For markets to function effectively, the federal government should punish those who committed fraud and caused the latest financial crisis instead of rewarding them with big bailouts — That has nothing to do with government deficit spending.

      6) The Gold Standard did not stop instability in the 19th century — nor did it prevent the Great Depression of the 1930s. The end of the Gold Standard ushered in a long period of relative prosperity for the world capitalist nations (1945 – 1973).

      7) Many of those opposing government deficits want to shrink the government — except the parts that benefit them. At one of the raucous Health Care town meetings attended by a bunch of Tea PArty types in the summer of 2009, Howard Dean asked the crowd (many of whom were there to attack the proposed Health Care reform proposals from the Obama Administration) how many people wanted to abolish MEdicare. Not ONE of them said they were in favor of that. Lawrence O’Donnell had THREE so-called Tea Party leaders on his show and asked all three if Medicare was “socialism” — none of them would say that. They know that lots of Tea Party people like Medicare because they are on it! Similarly, Tea Party Congressional freshmen from farm states are refusing to back the end of Ethanol Subsidies …

      They are prepared to accept death and suffering from those who fail “responsibilities” unless it’s they themselves or members of their immediate family.

      We need to be pushing back very strongly against such opinions as reported by Ken.

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