A reminder from Berlin
from Peter Radford
Sorting out my old bookshelves I came across an old Isaiah Berlin Essay “The Pursuit of the Ideal”. At the risk of being boring here is a very long extract, he begins the essay this way:
“There are, in my view, two factors that, above all others, have shaped human history in this century. One is the development of the natural sciences and technology, certainly the greatest success story of our time — to this, great and mounting attention has been paid from all quarters. The other, without doubt, consists in the great ideological storms that have altered the lives of virtually all mankind: the Russian Revolution and its aftermath — totalitarian tyrannies of both right and left and the explosions of nationalism, racism, and, in places, of religious bigotry, which, interestingly enough, not one among the most perceptive social thinkers of the nineteenth century had ever predicted.
When our descendants, in two or three centuries’ time (if mankind survives until then), come to look at our age, it is these two phenomena that will, I think, be held to be the outstanding characteristics of our century, the most demanding of explanation and analysis. But it is as well to realize that these great movements began with ideas in people’s heads: ideas about what relations between men have been, are, might be and should be; and to realize how they came to be transformed in the name of a vision of some supreme goal in the minds of the leaders, above all the prophets with armies at their backs. Such ideas are the substance of ethics …”
Yes indeed.
The substance of ethics.
The ideas that have dominated the minds and actions of our leaders over these past few decades, those that produced the day-to-day world we live in, those that resulted in the inequality and inequity of our modern western societies, those that created a giant rift in society between the mass and the few, and those that now need urgent reconsideration and change, those ideas are in sore need of an ethical reckoning.
High on the list of those ideas are those that came to dominate economics starting in the mid-twentieth century.
The pursuit of logic for the sake of formal clarity allowed economics to shed the social part of its social science designation. Economics, as it attempted to emerge from its older “political economy” roots, found, that in order to do so, it had to dissociate itself from considerations and arguments about socially ethical questions. It failed. So it erected its own technocratic version. Ethical virtue became synonymous with things such as efficiency and optimization. Social morality was re-modeled to fit neatly whatever the most elegant formalization appeared to be. The social was tossed aside as a source of inefficiency. The market was lauded as the ultimate arbiter of right and wrong. No matter what the consequences were.
That this allowed our leaders to pursue policies leading to the hollowing out of the post-war middle class, stagnation of living standards, and to the advance of extreme politics threatening democratic governance, was side-stepped as beyond the purview of economists. Those economists engaged in public argument either defended the market as a source of all things virtuous or they slid uneasily back to retrofit older ideas within the mainstream view as if these ideas were somehow consistent with the relentless market logic they taught elsewhere.
After the mid-century turn in ideology, given so much intellectual heft by its economist enablers, the state became an object of derision and suspicion. The question of state efficacy was always couched within a comparison with the supposed virtues of the market. Never was there a sophisticated discussion of the ethical values being represented in that comparison. Whole swathes of social-economic decision making, the very stuff of democratic oversight, were thus thrown over the side into the willing hands of the private sector.
The disconnect between the market as modeled and the economy as experienced was never allowed to intrude into the sanitized versions of economics that dominated the entire period. The private sector was assumed to conform to the absurd restrictions the economists imposed on their models to make them tractable. That most practicing economists realized this gap between their theory and reality existed, and yet failed to create a newer more realistic economics, is a damning comment about the ethics of an entire generation of them.
The private sector is nothing like that modeled in economics. Nothing like it. In many respects it is the living disproof of economic theory. That we have allowed, for the best part of a generation, major social decisions to be made without democratic input or oversight is the fact of democratic demise that I think needs reaction. It is the central fact of recent history.
Somewhere in the future people will ask how it was that the social cohesion and modest prosperity of the immediate post-war years was allowed to slide so precipitously. The ideas of economics will have to be reviewed for culpability.
Berlin is right: it is a question of ethics. Where is it?






























“The question of state efficacy was always couched within a comparison with the supposed virtues of the market. Never was there a sophisticated discussion of the ethical values being represented in that comparison.”
“The Road to Serfdom” is actually all about ethics. A left-wing historian has recently published a book on the Mont Pèlerin-liberal movement. See the “look inside” at
It will be interesting to compare: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0674033183/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_t1_V7bdGbHAQZHDC
I had a look at The Road from Mount Pèlerin (the Amazon “look inside”). It is a tract, albeit well written and informative. Neoliberalism, it isays, is not in any way an ideology. Judge by this from page 438:
“Inequality is not only the natural state of market economies, but it is actually one of its strongest motor forces for progress. Hence the rich are not parasites, but (conveniently) a boon to humankind. People should be encouraged to envy and emulate the rich. Demands for equality are merely sour grapes of the losers, or at a minimum, the atavistic holdovers of old images of justice the must be extirpated from the modern mindset. … The vast worldwide trend toward concentration of incomes and wealth since the 1990s is therefore the playing out of the neoliberal script.”
The next para praises monopoly and explains how corporations can do no wrong. It is a surprise to me to see such views so bluntly and earnestly stated. Much effort goes into distinguishing neoliberal from classical liberal.
There is quite a lot of information just in the Amazon excerpt and worth a look just to know thine enemy. It is more informative, I think, than the history book by Jessica Whyte, and much more stimulatingly written.
Thank you Meta, for those Weaver quotes about science.
“the predominant factors are subject to the basic laws of logic, and are for the most part measurable”
(a) I don’t know what it would be that is not subject to logic. Values? There is a mountain of logical discussion of values. (b) I do not think there is ANY natural science theory that contains any concept that is not measurable.
“The essence of science is not to be found in its outward appearance, in its physical manifestations; it is to be found in its inner spirit.”
Drivel. The essence of science is theory. A science theory expresses a relationship between idealised entities. The concepts are measurable quantities (not counted quantities).
“scientist insists on precise definition of terms”
Dead wrong. The concepts interrelated in a science theory are not defined. For example, all the sciences are founded on the concepts of mass, time, and space. There is no agreed definition of mass, no one can say what time is, and no one can define distance.
“science is an almost overwhelming illustration of the effectiveness of a well-defined and accepted language”
Complete rubbish. Science is an overwhelming illustration of the power of idealised—and therefore commonly understood—theory.
“None of these advances can be won unless men understand what science really is.”
Understanding will be hurt, not helped, by reading Weaver.
Your welcome pfeffertag, a bit of history. I make no personal comment on the content by posting it, only did so for some historical content.
Addendum: Another reason I read it in the first place was following Shiozawa’s citations (Hayek who cited Weaver) and repeatedly I find anachronistic outdated mid- nineteenth century science he tries to use in his empty appeals to outdated science as authority for his book.
“The disconnect between the market as modeled and the economy as experienced was never allowed to intrude into the sanitized versions of economics that dominated the entire period. The private sector was assumed to conform to the absurd restrictions the economists imposed on their models to make them tractable. That most practicing economists realized this gap between their theory and reality existed, and yet failed to create a newer more realistic economics, is a damning comment about the ethics of an entire generation of them.”
I would change ‘the market’ to ‘the economy’ in this first sentence.
There are three major structural problems with extant theory:
1. the failure of economists generally to understand how the accidental invention of money changed economic activities from limited production for use to ‘for-profit’ production, a shift which led to the rise of commerce –I.e., for-profit markets and marketing– with profits becoming the primary means of allocating social and economic resources while, also, the possession of money {income and wealth measured in terms of money} as the means of maintenance of economic agents led to social stratifications within populations.
2. the transformation of economic ‘Utility’ from objective benefits from use into solely subjective pleasures/satisfaction. As benefits from use became transformed,into subjective utility alone, economics completely lost its footing in the real world, for the ‘consumer’ became detached from any life form, including ourselves. The Theory of the Consumer is so constructed to have removed all matters associated with maintaining themselves as people from analysis, meaning that the ‘offer or demand’ curve of the ‘Consumer’ and the ‘Welfare of the Consumer’ and the ‘Consumer Surplus’ of the Consumer are solely imaginary constructions bearing no relationship to the ‘demands’ of people for goods or to their ‘welfare’ as human beings.
3. The notion and measures of ‘Aggregate Demand’ imply the real existence of Demand Curves in Economics with possible equibria for consumers and in markets. Such demand curves do not exist as such either for consumers or within markets. Indeed, economists only have data about completed sales, not Consumers’ Demand at different prices. That there appears to be a downward sloping ‘demand curve’ is the result of two things. In order of there importance these are: 1. as producer-distributer prices fall, more people will be able to afford a product they either need or want; 2. some people who could afford to buy fewer (including only one) at initial, earlier higher prices of the product MAY purchase more of it, not WILL purchase more of it as extant mainline neoclassical and Austrian school theoretics suggest
Consequently, structural changes in the foundations (at both ‘micro’ and ‘macro’ levels) must be introduced for economics to move from an imaginary theory about imaginary entities which do not have to maintain themselves in any manner to a becoming scientia about peoples’ activities as economic agents who use goods to achieve purposes. By so doing, economics will move from serving ideological purposes to serving human ones.
Whereas Yoshinori Shiozawa has approached some of what I am saying though his and his colleagues’ appraisal of the shortcomings and mis-directions of the microfoundations of economic theory pertaining to production activities, I do so with respect to producers-who-consume who are ALL agents of economic activity, thereby replacing ‘consumers’ and ‘producers’ with economic agents [people and ‘firms’ run by people] which have to be able to ‘break-even’ (at least) if they are to ‘survive’ either as people or as ‘firms’.
I hope to have completed an initial draft within a week or two. Then I will post a link to it here at RWER. Since I am writing it for both economists and non-economists (the more general public, including scientists as such), it is taking more time to write than I’d planned.
See you all soon.
Re prior post: The first para line ending with “the possession of money {income and wealth measured in terms of money} as the means of maintenance of economic agents led to social stratifications within populations” needs an EDIT. It should read “the possession of money {income and wealth measured in terms of money} becomes the means of maintenance of economic agents led to social stratifications within populations.”
I’ll add: “As time passes, monies also effectively become permission slips needed for survival. This means that the distribution of money determines not only the path which economies are on –money is NOT neutral– but that this distribution is inseparable from the physical, social and economic welfare of populations within monetary economies.
Oh, and there is a ‘there’ which should be ‘their’. (Typos are a bane of my existence.)
Isaiah Berlin’s all too apt warning, “(if mankind survives until then),” was given a hopeful turn in today’s church readings, which recalled Jonah preaching “‘Only forty days more and Nineveh is going to be destroyed.’ And the people of Nineveh believed in God; they proclaimed a fast and put on sackcloth, from the greatest to the least. God saw their efforts to renounce their evil behaviour. And God relented: he did not inflict on them the disaster which he had threatened.”
He says again: “It is as well to realize that these great movements [scientific technology, ideology] began with ideas in people’s heads: ideas about what relations between men have been, are, might be and should be [Bacon’s science “for the glory of God and the relief of man’s estate”]; and to realize how they came to be transformed in the name of a vision of some supreme goal in the minds of the leaders, above all the prophets with armies at their backs” [Hume’s replacement of the Christian ethic with sentimental morality and democratic law, much as noted in Meta Capitalism’s quote from Leonard].
Meta quotes the Weaver in 1948. It is interesting to see how enthusiastic Weaver had become by 1949 about Shannon’s “Mathematical Theory of Communication”, from the 1948 Bell System Technical Journal. Distinguishing three levels of relevance, he says “One would be inclined to think Level A [accuracy of communication generally, not just in words] is a relatively superficial one, involving only the engineering details of a good design of communication system; while B [the semantics] and C [the effectiveness] seem to contain most if not all of the philosophical content of the general problem of communication. … But the theory has I think, a deep significance which proves that the preceding paragraph is seriously inaccurate. Part of the significance of the new theory comes from the fact that levels B and C, above, can make use only of those signal accuracies which turn out to be possible when analysed at Level A. Thus any limitations discovered in the theory at Level A necessarily apply to levels B and C. But a larger part of the significance comes from the fact that the analysis at Level A discloses that this level overlaps the other levels more than one could possibly naively suspect”.
Let me take that thought on to pfeffertag being as literal-minded and objectionally dogmatic as gbholtham was when disputing that “everything we know about economics is wrong”. His first comment praised a Hayek (prophet of Thatcher and Reagan) who misrepresented Belloc’s “The Servile State”, which actually said not just the Socialism was wrong but that Capitalism was as bad. His second attacks Weaver’s 1948 views on logic, but then uses them himself, reflecting as they do only left-brain (unchanged word) and not right-brain logic (deducing intuitively from observed changes in reality). That takes us back to Shannon’s communication theory: a left-brained thinker cannot fit right-brained observations into a pot of words.
Pfeffertag may be right that the concepts of natural science may be measurable, but he does not see that in Hume’s refuted but still used positivist methodology the measurements are democratically agreed by counting votes. As to whether the “inner spirit” is an intelligible figure of speech or “drivel”, he himself defines science as theory, leaving out the testing of it and those who at one moment are trying things out, in the next theorising and in the one after that testing the theories. As a scientist that, anyway, was my experience. “Dead wrong” that scientists insist on precise definition of terms? That may be true about the majority of those who label themselves scientists (particularly those in the so-called social sciences), but it certainly was not true of the scientists and mathematicians I knew. The point of developing Algol68 was to ENABLE scientists to define their terms precisely, even if in practice they might not. What pfeffertag seems to be thinking of as independent measurable concepts are actually relationally defined, being agreed on as axioms because they not only work but are analytically separable (i.e can be represented differentially or in circular measurement as at right angles).
It seems to me this not only confirms but explains much of what Larry Motuz is saying.