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from Lars Syll

Mostly Harmless EconometricsIf you can’t devise an experiment that answers your question in a world where anything goes, then the odds of generating useful results with a modest budget and nonexperimental survey data seem pretty slim. The description of an ideal experiment also helps you formulate causal questions precisely. The mechanics of an ideal experiment highlight the forces you’d like to manipulate and the factors you’d like to hold constant.

Research questions that cannot be answered by any experiment are fundamentally unidentified questions.

One of the limitations of economics is the restricted possibility to perform experiments, forcing it to mainly rely on observational studies for knowledge of real-world economies.

But still — the idea of performing laboratory experiments holds a firm grip on our wish to discover (causal) relationships between economic ‘variables.’If we only could isolate and manipulate variables in controlled environments, we would probably find ourselves in a situation where we with greater ‘rigour’ and ‘precision’ could describe, predict, or explain economic happenings in terms of ‘structural’ causes, ‘parameter’ values of relevant variables, and economic ‘laws.’

Galileo Galilei’s experiments are often held as exemplary for how to perform experiments to learn something about the real world. Galileo’s heavy balls dropping from the tower of Pisa, confirmed that the distance an object falls is proportional to the square of time and that this law (empirical regularity) of falling bodies could be applicable outside a vacuum tube when e. g. air existence is negligible.

The big problem is to decide or find out exactly for which objects air resistance (and other potentially ‘confounding’ factors) is ‘negligible.’ In the case of heavy balls, air resistance is obviously negligible, but how about feathers or plastic bags?

One possibility is to take the all-encompassing-theory road and find out all about possible disturbing/confounding factors — not only air resistance — influencing the fall and build that into one great model delivering accurate predictions on what happens when the object that falls is not only a heavy ball but feathers and plastic bags. This usually amounts to ultimately stating some kind of ceteris paribus interpretation of the ‘law.’

Another road to take would be to concentrate on the negligibility assumption and to specify the domain of applicability to be only heavy compact bodies. The price you have to pay for this is that (1) ‘negligibility’ may be hard to establish in open real-world systems, (2) the generalization you can make from ‘sample’ to ‘population’ is heavily restricted, and (3) you actually have to use some ‘shoe leather’ and empirically try to find out how large is the ‘reach’ of the ‘law.’

In mainstream economics, one has usually settled for the ‘theoretical’ road (and in case you think the present ‘natural experiments’ hype has changed anything, remember that to mimic real experiments, exceedingly stringent special conditions standardly have to obtain).

In the end, it all boils down to one question — are there any Galilean ‘heavy balls’ to be found in economics, so that we can indisputably establish the existence of economic laws operating in real-world economies?

As far as I can see there are some heavy balls out there, but not even one single real economic law.

Economic factors/variables are more like feathers than heavy balls — non-negligible factors (like air resistance and chaotic turbulence) are hard to rule out as having no influence on the object studied.

Galilean experiments are hard to carry out in economics, and the theoretical ‘analogue’ models economists construct and in which they perform their ‘thought experiments’ build on assumptions that are far away from the kind of idealized conditions under which Galileo performed his experiments. The ‘nomological machines’ that Galileo and other scientists have been able to construct have no real analogues in economics. The stability, autonomy, modularity, and interventional invariance, that we may find between entities in nature, simply are not there in real-world economies. That’s are real-world fact, and contrary to the beliefs of most mainstream economists, they won’t go away simply by applying deductive-axiomatic economic theory with tons of more or less unsubstantiated assumptions.

By this, I do not mean to say that we have to discard all (causal) theories/laws building on modularity, stability, invariance, etc. But we have to acknowledge the fact that outside the systems that possibly fulfil these requirements/assumptions, they are of little substantial value. Running paper and pen experiments on artificial ‘analogue’ model economies is a sure way of ‘establishing’ (causal) economic laws or solving intricate econometric problems of autonomy, identification, invariance and structural stability — in the model world. But they are pure substitutes for the real thing and they don’t have much bearing on what goes on in real-world open social systems. Setting up convenient circumstances for conducting Galilean experiments may tell us a lot about what happens under those kinds of circumstances. But — few, if any, real-world social systems are ‘convenient.’ So most of those systems, theories and models, are irrelevant for letting us know what we really want to know.

To solve, understand, or explain real-world problems you actually have to know something about them — logic, pure mathematics, data simulations or deductive axiomatics don’t take you very far. Most econometrics and economic theories/models are splendid logic machines. But — applying them to the real world is a totally hopeless undertaking! The assumptions one has to make in order to successfully apply these deductive-axiomatic theories/models/machines are devastatingly restrictive and mostly empirically untestable– and hence make their real-world scope ridiculously narrow. To fruitfully analyze real-world phenomena with models and theories you cannot build on patently and known to be ridiculously absurd assumptions. No matter how much you would like the world to entirely consist of heavy balls, the world is not like that. The world also has its fair share of feathers and plastic bags.

Most of the ‘idealizations’ we find in mainstream economic models are not ‘core’ assumptions, but rather structural ‘auxiliary’ assumptions. Without those supplementary assumptions, the core assumptions deliver next to nothing of interest. So to come up with interesting conclusions you have to rely heavily on those other — ‘structural’ — assumptions.

In physics, we have theories and centuries of experience and experiments that show how gravity makes bodies move. In economics, we know there is nothing equivalent. So instead mainstream economists necessarily have to load their theories and models with sets of auxiliary structural assumptions to get any results at all in their models.

So why then do mainstream economists keep on pursuing this modelling project?

Mainstream ‘as if’ models are based on the logic of idealization and a set of tight axiomatic and ‘structural’ assumptions from which consistent and precise inferences are made. The beauty of this procedure is, of course, that if the assumptions are true, the conclusions necessarily follow. But it is a poor guide for real-world systems.

The way axioms and theorems are formulated in mainstream economics often leaves their specification without almost any restrictions whatsoever, safely making every imaginable evidence compatible with the all-embracing ‘theory’ — and theory without informational content never risks being empirically tested and found falsified. Used in mainstream ‘thought experimental’ activities, it may, of course, ​be very ‘handy,’ but totally void of any empirical value.

Some economic methodologists have lately been arguing that economic models may well be considered ‘minimal models’ that portray ‘credible worlds’ without having to care about things like similarity, isomorphism, simplified ‘representationality’ or resemblance to the real world. These models are said to resemble ‘realistic novels’ that portray ‘possible worlds’. And sure: economists constructing and working with those kinds of models learn things about what might happen in those ‘possible worlds’. But is that really the stuff real science is made of? I think not. As long as one doesn’t come up with credible export warrants to real-world target systems and show how those models — often building on idealizations with known to be false assumptions — enhance our understanding or explanations about the real world, well, they are just nothing more than just novels.  Showing that something is possible in a ‘possible world’ doesn’t give us a justified license to infer that it therefore also is possible in the real world. ‘The Great Gatsby’ is a wonderful novel, but if you truly want to learn about what is going on in the world of finance, I would recommend rather reading Minsky or Keynes and directly confronting real-world finance.

Different models have different cognitive goals. Constructing models that aim for explanatory insights may not optimize the models for making (quantitative) predictions or deliver some kind of ‘understanding’ of what’s going on in the intended target system. All modelling in science has tradeoffs. There simply is no ‘best’ model. For one purpose in one context model A is ‘best’, for other purposes and contexts model B may be deemed ‘best’. Depending on the level of generality, abstraction, and depth, we come up with different models. But even so, I would argue that if we are looking for what I have called ‘adequate explanations’ (Syll, Ekonomisk teori och metod, Studentlitteratur, 2005) it is not enough to just come up with ‘minimal’ or ‘credible world’ models.

The assumptions and descriptions we use in our modelling have to be true — or at least ‘harmlessly’ false — and give a sufficiently detailed characterization of the mechanisms and forces at work. Models in mainstream economics do nothing of the kind.

Coming up with models that show how things may possibly be explained is not what we are looking for. It is not enough. We want to have models that build on assumptions that are not in conflict with known facts and that show how things actually are to be explained. Our aspirations have to be more far-reaching than just constructing coherent and ‘credible’ models about ‘possible worlds’. We want to understand and explain ‘difference-making’ in the real world and not just in some made-up fantasy world. No matter how many mechanisms or coherent relations you represent in your model, you still have to show that these mechanisms and relations are at work and exist in society if we are to do real science. Science has to be something more than just more or less realistic ‘story-telling’ or ‘explanatory fictionalism.’ You have to provide decisive empirical evidence that what you can infer in your model also helps us to uncover what actually goes on in the real world. It is not enough to present your students with epistemically informative insights about logically possible but non-existent general equilibrium models. You also, and more importantly, have to have a world-linking argumentation and show how those models explain or teach us something about real-world economies. If you fail to support your models in that way, why should we care about them? And if you do not inform us about what are the real-world intended target systems of your modelling, how are we going to be able to value or test them? Without giving that kind of information it is impossible for us to check if the ‘possible world’ models you come up with actually hold also for the one world in which we live — the real world.

  1. Meta Capitalism
    March 2, 2023 at 5:53 pm

    It was in the early years of the neoclassical revival that Wassily Leontief used his presidential address to the American Economics Association to counsel against the dangers of self-satisfaction. He noted that although economics was starting to ride ‘the crest of intellectual respectability… an uneasy feeling about the present state of our discipline has been growing in some of us who have watched its unprecedented development over the last three decades.’ Saying that pure theory was making economics more remote from day-to-day reality, he said the problem lay in ‘the palpable inadequacy of the scientific means’ of using mathematical approaches to address mundane concerns. So much time went into model construction that the assumptions on which the models were based became an afterthought. ‘But,’ he warned … that the sub-prime boom’s fascination with mathematical models, and the bust’s subsequent revelation of their flaws, now reveals to have been prophetic ‘it is precisely the empirical validity of these assumptions on which the usefulness of the entire exercise depends.’ (Rapley, John. Twilight of the Money Gods: Economics as a Religion and How it all Went Wrong. Simon & Schuster UK. Kindle Edition. https://a.co/fJQiNpa )
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    Leontief thought that economics departments were increasingly hiring and promoting young economists who wanted to build pure models with little empirical relevance. Even when they did empirical analysis, Leontief said economists seldom took any interest in the meaning or value of their data. He thus called for economists to explore their assumptions and data by conducting social, demographic and anthropological work, and said economics needed to work more closely with other disciplines. And, without naming him, he implicitly repudiated Friedman’s positivist doctrine, adding that ‘uncritical enthusiasm for mathematical formulation tends often to conceal the ephemeral substantive content of the argument behind the formidable front of algebraic signs.’ Alas, Leontief admitted, few of his colleagues seemed to share his fear that the discipline was moving in the wrong direction. (Rapley, John. Twilight of the Money Gods: Economics as a Religion and How it all Went Wrong. Simon & Schuster UK. Kindle Edition. https://a.co/fL6hB1n )
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    Leontief’s call for humility some forty years ago stands as a reminder that the same religions that can speak up for human freedom and dignity when in opposition, can become obsessed with their rightness and the need to purge others of their wickedness once they attain power. When the Church retains its distance from power, and a modest expectation about what it can achieve, it can stir our minds to envision new possibilities and even new worlds. Once economists apply this kind of sceptical scientific method to a human realm in which ultimate reality may never be fully discernible for the simple reason that it is fluid and constantly being re-defined, they will probably find themselves retreating from dogmatism in their claims. (Rapley, John. Twilight of the Money Gods: Economics as a Religion and How it all Went Wrong. Simon & Schuster UK. Kindle Edition. )
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    Paradoxically, therefore, as economics becomes more truly scientific, it will become less of a science. Acknowledging these limitations will free it to serve us once more. (Rapley, John. Twilight of the Money Gods: Economics as a Religion and How it all Went Wrong. Simon & Schuster UK. Kindle Edition. https://a.co/fxqZWjw )

  2. rsm
    March 2, 2023 at 7:50 pm

    “In physics, we have theories and centuries of experience and experiments that show how gravity makes bodies move.”

    Why ignore the 95% of the universe (68% dark energy, 27% dark matter) where we don’t understand how gravity makes bodies move, any better than aether theory?

    Why did Roman bridge builders build great bridges, despite believing in a failed theory of gravity that predicted heavier slabs of stone slid down their ramps faster than lighter ones? Could we be as mistaken about gravity today, but our error margins are so wide it covers up for flawed theory?

    Is McCloskey right that science is a bad model for economics to envy?

    “Nothing is gained from clinging to the Scientific Method […] because the methodology does not describe the sciences it was once thought to describe, such as physics or mathematics; and because physics or mathematics are not good models for economics anyway; […]” (The Rhetoric of Economics, McCloskey, 1983, linked from Wikipedia)

    • robert locke
      March 3, 2023 at 7:46 am

      When I read McClodky in 1983, I knew the science pretentions in economics were just that, preteentons unrealiizeablle.

  3. Edward Ross
    March 3, 2023 at 3:42 am

    hellow

  4. Edward Ross
    March 3, 2023 at 5:59 am

    At the end of the month I will become 87 years old my problem is that before finish a post I am so slow that it disappears.
    This morning a news item stated that the G20 had failed to reach agreement on Kurian. Here there is much that i would like to say. To me this indicates, that, like many other organization’s, they are a bunch of morons disconnected from the real world. Hopefully my head may be a little tomorrow and I can give fuller explanation.

    • robert locke
      March 4, 2023 at 3:41 am

      I’m 91 and just wrote a memoire io daughter and half-sister.

  5. Gerald Holtham
    March 3, 2023 at 8:19 pm

    Well we all agree that macroeconomics in particular has taken a wrong turning. Leontieff was not the only one who saw it coming. They include G.L.S.Shackle and, pre-eminently, H.A.Simon who also sounded the warning bell.
    RSM points out correctly that bridge-building does not depend on having the right theory of gravity. Much of classical physics feeds usefully into engineering even though it was confected in ignorance of quantum theory and the behaviour of fundamental particles. Indeed, we can hit an asteroid with a rocket even though we have no idea what dark matter or dark energy are or whether they are “real”.
    Doing economics means hoping that this “Russian dolls” nature of reality whereby you can know something without having to know everything applies in the social studies too.
    Lars admires Keynes, who certainly brought a lot of worldly experience to his theorising. Yet his theorising abstracted from important elements, didn’t precisely define its domain of application, and was still ready to come to firm conclusions and even advise policy. He didn’t offer much evidence to provide a warrant of applicability to “target systems” either. Surely Keynes doesn’t escape Lars opprobrium just because he wrote it out in words rather than equations? It would be good to know why Keynes so entirely escapes Lars criticism of economic theorising.

    • Meta Capitalism
      March 4, 2023 at 1:35 am

      You have mentioned a few authors whom I have just not managed to find the time to read yet. The sound interesting Gerald. Any reading suggestions?

    • Meta Capitalism
      March 4, 2023 at 2:44 am

      12.11 Dark Energy
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      In this a very deep way, we do not know what this antigravitating influence is that is causing the Universe to accelerate. It has been given the name dark energy, a term that has caught on broadly, but is just a mask to hide our ignorance of what is going on. What we do know is some things the dark energy is not. It cannot be composed of any “normal” particle like protons, neutrons, and electrons, nor even the yet unknown particles of dark matter, because those all gravitate. We also know that the dark energy cannot be accounted for by any currently known theory of physics. The dark energy was not just a surprise to astronomers and cosmologists; it represents a challenge to fundamental physics. That got the attention of physicists and, among other things, has profoundly changed the nature of supernova research. Supernovae are no longer just the plaything of astronomers. Physicists now think supernovae, a least Type Ia, are their experiment in Nature. (Wheeler 2007, 280)
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      The current guesses are that dark energy is some sort of force field that permeates the vacuum and pushes or anigravitates. …. (Wheeler 2007, 280, Cosmic Catastrophes: Exploding Stars, Black Wholes, and Mapping the Universe. Cambridge.)
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      It’s no mystery why the data used by economists and other social scientists so rarely throws up incontestable answers: it is human data. Unlike us, subatomic particles don’t lie on opinion surveys or change their minds about things. Mindful of that difference, at his own presidential address to the American Economics Association nearly a half-century ago, another Nobel laureate, Wassily Leontief, struck a more modest tone than Lucas. He reminded his audience that the data used by economists differed greatly from that used by physicists or biologists. For the latter, he cautioned, ‘the magnitude of most parameters is practically constant’, whereas the observations in economics were constantly changing. Data sets had to be regularly updated to remain useful. Some data was just simply bad. Collecting and analysing the data requires civil servants with a high degree of skill and a good deal of time, which Third World countries may not have in abundance. So, for example, in one year alone Ghana’s government – which probably has one of the better data-gathering capacities in Africa – recalculated its economic output by 60 per cent. Testing your hypothesis before and after that kind of revision would lead to entirely different results. (Rapley, John. Twilight of the Money Gods: Economics as a Religion and How it all Went Wrong . Simon & Schuster UK. Kindle Edition. https://a.co/8MCaaJw )
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      Hubris, never a particularly good thing, may be especially dangerous in economics because its scholars can acquire Daedalus-like powers to change the way the world works. Any scientist will tell you she can’t alter the laws of nature. At best, having observed and developed an understanding of them, she can try to manipulate them to human advantage. But economists don’t just observe the laws of nature, they help make them. If the government, guided by its priesthood, changes the incentive-structure of society to align with the assumption that people behave selfishly, then lo and behold people will start to do just that. They are rewarded for doing so and penalised for doing otherwise. If you are educated to believe greed is good, then you will be more likely to live accordingly. We therefore need to be certain we trust the prophet and not merely the prophecy; and to be reassured moreover that the prophet has our interests at heart.
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      Leontief had wanted economists to spend more time getting to know their data and less time in mathematical modelling. However, as he ruefully admitted, the trend was already going the other way. Today, the economist who wanders into a village to get a sense of what the data reveals is a rare creature. Once the model is ready to be tested, number crunching ends up being done largely at computers plugged into large databases. It’s not a method that fully satisfies a sceptic. For, just as you can find a quotation in the Bible that will justify almost any behaviour, from torture to pacifism, you can find human data to support almost any statement you want to make about the way the world works. That’s why ideas in economics, unlike physics, can go in and out of fashion. Keynesianism buried much of neoclassical theory, but the Great Awakening brought it back stronger than ever. Like the Emperor Constantine’s conversion or Martin Luther’s Reformation, once you can win converts and gain powerful patrons, you can enshrine orthodoxy. Lose your flock, however, and you lose the pulpit. (Rapley, John. Twilight of the Money Gods: Economics as a Religion and How it all Went Wrong . Simon & Schuster UK. Kindle Edition.)
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      Leontief had wanted economists to spend more time getting to know their data and less time in mathematical modelling. However, as he ruefully admitted, the trend was already going the other way. Today, the economist who wanders into a village to get a sense of what the data reveals is a rare creature. Once the model is ready to be tested, number crunching ends up being done largely at computers plugged into large databases. It’s not a method that fully satisfies a sceptic. For, just as you can find a quotation in the Bible that will justify almost any behaviour, from torture to pacifism, you can find human data to support almost any statement you want to make about the way the world works. That’s why ideas in economics, unlike physics, can go in and out of fashion. Keynesianism buried much of neoclassical theory, but the Great Awakening brought it back stronger than ever. Like the Emperor Constantine’s conversion or Martin Luther’s Reformation, once you can win converts and gain powerful patrons, you can enshrine orthodoxy. Lose your flock, however, and you lose the pulpit. (Rapley, John. Twilight of the Money Gods: Economics as a Religion and How it all Went Wrong . Simon & Schuster UK. Kindle Edition.)
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      (….) For decades, neoliberal evangelists replied to such objections by saying it was incumbent on us all to adapt to the model, which was held to be immutable – one recalls Bill Clinton’s depiction of neoliberal globalisation, for instance, as a ‘force of nature’. And yet, in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis and the consequent recession, there has been a turn against globalisation across much of the West. More broadly, there has been a wide repudiation of the ‘experts’. Although the experts were virtually unanimous in rejecting both Brexit for the UK referendum and Donald Trump in the 2016 US election, the voting public ignored them in large numbers. (Rapley, John. Twilight of the Money Gods: Economics as a Religion and How it all Went Wrong . Simon & Schuster UK. Kindle Edition.)
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      The failure of the grand narrative of economics is not, however, a reason for students of economics to dispense with narratives. Narratives will remain an inescapable part of the human sciences for the simple reason that they are inescapable for humans. It’s funny that so few economists get this, because businesses do. As the Nobel laureates George Akerlof and Robert Shiller write in Phishing for Phools, marketers use them all the time, weaving stories in the hopes we’ll place ourselves in them and be persuaded to buy what they are selling.19 Akerlof and Shiller contend that the idea that free markets work and that government is the problem is itself ‘a phish for phools’, a kind of story that is actually misleading people into adjusting their behaviour in order to fit the plot. They believe storytelling is a ‘new variable’ for economics, since ‘the mental frames that underlie people’s decisions’ are shaped by the stories they tell themselves. In a similar vein, when anticipating future demand, businesses often opt for anthropological over statistical methods, geared towards collecting stories rather than just points of data.20 And if this sounds ‘unscientific’ it’s worth recalling, as the mathematician Paul Lockhart writes in his book Measurement, that mathematical models are themselves narratives, whose attraction lies in their beauty, yet which still convey an imaginary world and not the ‘complicated disaster’ that is ‘physical reality’ (where ‘nothing is at all what it appears to be’). Lockhart notes that ‘a mathematical argument [is] otherwise known as a proof. A proof is simply a story. The characters are the elements of the problem, and the plot is up to you.’21 (Rapley, John. Twilight of the Money Gods: Economics as a Religion and How it all Went Wrong . Simon & Schuster UK. Kindle Edition.)

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    • Meta Capitalism
      March 5, 2023 at 12:50 am

      Well we all agree that macroeconomics in particular has taken a wrong turning. Leontieff was not the only one who saw it coming. They include G.L.S.Shackle and, pre-eminently, H.A.Simon who also sounded the warning bell.

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      Some sources would be nice.

  6. Edward Ross
    March 4, 2023 at 6:56 am

    I like rsm reference to some of Mcclosky, fearless honesty in expressing her opinion, (I actually met her at the 2004 Cambridge conference. I also have admired Robert Lock a person with a clear mind and many years experience in the real world,
    Then this morning on the news it was said that Blinken stated that if Russia gets away with its marcours efforts to crucify Kurian, then it is obvious there is no limits to its efforts to expands its control many states in the area. Notably many of the people I associate with express the same view, I think if this attitude could be harnessed it could do a lot to help Kurian. Here i acknowledge the AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT is making a good effort to support Ukrain.
    Yesterday i thought of my understanding of Nestorian philosophy that states that if there is a bad apple in the case the only way to save the rest is to get rid of the bad apple. Thus Putin has to be restrained from his murderous intentions. CERTAINLY THERE ARE RISKS .but if he is not restrained, there is not much future for any of us.Ted

  7. robert locke
    March 4, 2023 at 7:35 am

    my wife’s father spent 20 years in the Gulag, and was constanly harrased by the bolsheviks thereafter untll he got to PPoland. his wife’s land. Thats real world experience.

  8. Edward Ross
    March 4, 2023 at 7:01 pm

    Thanks Robert Locke YES, it is your experience and observation! that makes you the man that you are. Over the years i have had friends that escaped from Hungary, and still have Polish friends who were among the children who escaped from a Russian concentration camp after loosing most of their family. The point is these people are very concerned when they see history repeating itself because leaders fail to realy support people being oppressed. Thus in my opinion we have to stand shoulder to shoulder with those being oppressed. My mother used to tell us children that actions speak louder than words. Here if some of the news items are correct, much of the promised aid to the Ukranians is very slow in getting to them. Ted

  9. Gerald Holtham
    March 6, 2023 at 4:27 pm

    Refs. by H.A. Simon:
    Models of Man: Social and Rational, Wiley 1957
    Models of My Life, Basic Books 1991
    Bounded rationality and organizational learning, in Organizational Science, 2 no1 1991
    Economics and Psychology reprinted in Models of Bounded Rationality vol2 MIT Press 1982
    Organizations and Markets, in Journal of Economic Perspectives 5 spring 1991
    An Empirically Based Microeconomics, Cambridge University Press 1997
    The Sciences of the Artificial, 3rd edition 1996 MIT Press
    Invariants of human behaviour, in Annual Review of Psychology, 41 1990
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    GLS Shackle:
    Imagination and the Nature of Choice. Edinburgh University Press 1979.
    For more, look him up on Google.

    • Meta Capitalism
      March 7, 2023 at 1:12 am

      Thanks Gerald, much appreciated.

  10. Gerald Holtham
    March 6, 2023 at 5:00 pm

    Some people don’t think that studying human societies admits of a “scientific” approach, i.e. the search for regularities or patterns in events that depend on general principles. Every event is unique with multiple causes, as any historian will tell you.
    Even some historians, though, attempt to draw conclusions, i.e. make generalisations from history so the search for an understanding based on some sort of theory seems certain to continue. Theorising about something in which we are embedded and which is a human creation not “given” by physical laws (though constrained by them) was Simon’s theme in “The Sciences of the Artificial”. He was an unashamed scientist who saw that economics, political science and psychology should not be in silos, and the methods of computer science were necessary to explore them as a whole.
    Literature provides copious insights but eventually we need to establish what can be said to be true, what can’t and where we need to reserve judgement. Of course there are not many eternal verities in social studies because the verities change with society. Still some things are as true of an economy today as they were in 1922. Establishing the current verities indeed requires us to collect data and to “know” it. Economics all too often has a casual attitude to data and an attachment to over-simple models. Even if you ,model well and research carefully and honestly, “sceptics” will still not be persuaded. To a through-going philosophical sceptic, the existence of an external world outside his own sense-data, cannot be established, far less anything else. Some people can never be satisfied.

    • Meta Capitalism
      March 13, 2023 at 1:08 am

      Some people don’t think that studying human societies admits of a “scientific” approach, i.e. the search for regularities or patterns in events that depend on general principles. (Gerald Holtham, RWER, Rhetoric or Fact, 3/6/2023)
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      Please name names. Who or what gives you this feeling? Or have some shame about repeating this generalised calumny. No-one I know thinks like that. The researcher proposes, and data disposes. (Guess Who?, RWER, 2/11/2020)
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      Even if you, model well and research carefully and honestly, “sceptics” will still not be persuaded. To a through-going philosophical sceptic, the existence of an external world outside his own sense-data, cannot be established, far less anything else. Some people can never be satisfied. (Gerald Holtham, RWER, 3/6/2023)

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      “Some people” sounds more like a conspiracy theory than sound argument. Kind of like trying to turn the straw man “solipsist” into a reality by mere rhetoric.
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      Rhetoric is a poor substitute for substantive arguments.

    • Meta Capitalism
      March 13, 2023 at 1:54 am

      Theorising about something in which we are embedded and which is a human creation not “given” by physical laws (though constrained by them) was Simon’s theme in “The Sciences of the Artificial”. He was an unashamed scientist who saw that economics, political science and psychology should not be in silos, and the methods of computer science were necessary to explore them as a whole. (Gerald Holtham, RWER, The Science of the Artificial, 3/6/2023)

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      I am reading Simon’s The Science of the Artificial now. I have been in the field of computer science for over thirty years. I have worked on compilers, machine learning, and artificial intelligence. I have also studied for over those many years the history, philosophy, and theory of theoretical evolutionary biology. I am well aware of how biological metaphors are used and abused sciences outside of biology (and sometimes by biologists themselves, e.g., Richard Dawkins). For now, I reserve any comments on Simon’s Science of the Artificial, but this much I can say. His understanding of biology as of this specific text is out-of-date and his biological metaphors (which he bases his complexity theories upon) are reminiscent of bean-bag-genetics and the age of molecular biology’s reductionist heydays. Those days are over except for the hardest of hardcore dogmatists.

  11. robert locke
    March 6, 2023 at 10:13 pm

    historiography is a constant preoccupaion among historians. original sources take presidence over secondary. methodology is constantly questioned when historians discuss their craft. Language knowlege is essential to study a country in context. I learned French, German to write from historical sources and contemporary observers. Now methodolgy is everything. Economists lack the historian’s skills.

  12. rsm
    March 9, 2023 at 1:24 am

    Gerald said: “we need to establish what can be said to be true, what can’t and where we need to reserve judgement. […] To a through-going philosophical sceptic, the existence of an external world outside his own sense-data, cannot be established, far less anything else. Some people can never be satisfied.”

    How do you answer Berkeley in the Analyst?

    Quoting Wikipedia’s article on “The Analyst”:

    “Berkeley sought to take mathematics apart, claimed to uncover numerous gaps in proof, attacked the use of infinitesimals, the diagonal of the unit square, the very existence of numbers, etc. The general point was not so much to mock mathematics or mathematicians, but rather to show that mathematicians, like Christians, relied upon incomprehensible ‘mysteries’ in the foundations of their reasoning. Moreover, the existence of these ‘superstitions’ was not fatal to mathematical reasoning, indeed it was an aid. So too with the Christian faithful and their ‘mysteries’. Berkeley concluded that the certainty of mathematics is no greater than the certainty of religion.”

    How do pragmatists answer McCloskey in some further quotations from “The Rhetoric of Economics”?

    “[…] ‘modernism,’ that is, the notion (as Booth puts it) that we know only what we cannot doubt and cannot really know what we can merely assent to. […] Modernism promises knowledge free from doubt, metaphysics, morals, and personal conviction; what it delivers merely renames the Scientific Method the scientist’s and especially the economic scientist’s metaphysics, morals, and personal convictions. […] Scientific knowledge is no different from other personal knowledge (Polanyi, 1962). […] The laws come from a rhetoric of tradition or introspection, and in physics as in economics “quantitative studies … are explorations with the aid of a theory” (Coase, p.17), searches for numbers with which to make specific a theory already believed on other grounds (see Edward Leamer, 1978 […]) […] Other sciences, even the other mathematical sciences, even the Queen herself, are rhetorical. Mathematics appears to an incognoscento to be the limiting example of objectivity, explicitness, and demonstrability. Surely here is a bedrock for belief. Yet the standards of mathematical demonstration change. The last fifty years have been a disappointment to followers of David Hilbert and his program to put mathematics on indubitable foundations. […] One can even say the same of physics, that favorite of outsiders seeking a prescription for real, objective, positive, predictive science. The sequence Carnap-Popper-Lakatos-Kuhn-Feyerabend represents in the history and philosophy of physics a descent, accelerating recently, from the frigid peaks of scientific absolutism to the sweet valleys of anarchic rhetoric […]”

    Also: “the worst flaw in the hostility to ‘metaphysics’ that modernism sees everywhere is that the hostility is itself metaphysical. If metaphysics is to be cast into the flames, then the methodological declarations of the modernist family from Descartes through Hume and Comte to Russel and Hempel and Popper will be the first to go.”

    In other words, are we permitted to challenge Fed Chairman Jay Powell’s belief that interest rates is the best way to treat inflation? Or is that truth a divine revelation, an economic truth upon which none may be permitted to reserve judgment?

  13. gerald holtham
    March 11, 2023 at 9:29 am

    Samuel Johson “refuted” Berkeley’s idealism by kicking an actual physical object, a stone, and saying “I refute it thus”. Not really a proof but you see what he meant. Every human intellectual activity starts with unverified assumptions. You can only test them by assuming something else. Quine pointed out that anything can be tested but not everything can be tested, not all at once. In the end this does not seem to be all-important. Life is lived. Science extends its domain and technologies improve. Russell made the interesting point that the unprovable basic assumptions are somehow justified retrospectively. If the activity on which they are based turns out to be useful, that reflects well on them. Smart phones, electric motors, and much of the apparatus of modern life would not have been discoverable without mathematics. Maths works. That, not its metaphysical foundations is its ultimate justification.
    Not sure what that’s got to do with Powell’s view of interest rates. But who ever said it was unchallengeable? I, for one, think Fed policy has been, and is, misguided.

    • Meta Capitalism
      March 11, 2023 at 6:43 pm

      I, for one, think Fed policy has been, and is, misguided.

      I would be interested in the cliff notes version of your opinion on this topic. My wife asked me just the other day about this very issue. I too think Fed Policy is misguided; a blunt instrument, like doing surgery with a baseball bat and wondering why the patient is so black and blue.

    • Meta Capitalism
      March 15, 2023 at 3:19 am

      Box 2.2: Reality as Kickability?

      Why can’t we be more straightforward and call physically real what is ‘kickable’ (Popper, Quantum Theory, 1982; Hacking, Representing 1983; Deutsch, Fabric, 1997, Chap. 4). This criterion serves its purpose. Many objects and entities are ‘kickable’, even if at a particular moment in time the technology lets us down. At the end of the 19th century many scientists believed that atoms were not real. The technology was not there to manipulate them. The problem with this view is rather that science talks about reality of phenomena and regularities, which are not kickable, even in principle. The Big Bang is not kickable, nor is the universe as a whole. Although laws of nature can be used to manipulate objects, the molecules and electrons, the laws themselves are not kickable. We cannot kick the Principle of Evolution, the Conservation of Energy or Space-Time. Yet they represent structural regularities, which we want to call real. By contrast, some things are kickable, yet some may not want to regard them as real. The wave-particle duality can be manufactured in experiments, like the double-slit experiment, yet some only regard the waves others the particles as real. And of course we can kick relational. But we only get perspectival realities. (Weinert 2004, 71, The Scientist as Philosopher, https://a.co/1ytlQ8D )
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      Anticipating the solar eclipse of August 1999, Eddington wrote in 1935: The shadow of the moon in Cornwall in 1999 is already in the world of inference. (Weinert 2004, The Scientist as Philosopher, https://a.co/2DmwV8gz)
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      Natural scientists face a pre-given natural world, not the symbolic, pre-interpreted world of the social scientist. Natural scientists stand in a subject-object relation to their object of study. Yet they use symbolic language to make sense of the material world. (Weinert 2004, The Scientist as Philosopher, https://a.co/e6Dzm03)
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      3.1 Understanding and Fundamental Concepts

      Concepts like understanding and meaning are usually associated with a particular view of the Social Sciences. Social life produces and reproduces symbolic meaning. Social scientists need to acquire an understanding of the inherent symbolic meaning in social life. They do this, it is said, by adopting the viewpoint of a passive participant observer. In this view, the role of the social scientist is seen as distinctly different from that of the natural scientist. The object of study of the social scientist is society, the network of social interactions. Society does not exist outside the bracket of social interactions. The social sciences deal with the pre-interpreted world of the social participants. The social scientist interprets a social world, which already carries symbolic meaning. The symbolic meaning of the social world is produced and reproduced by the social actors. The study of the social world by social scientists is a matter of human subjects studying other human subjects. It is a matter of symbolic dimensions meeting other symbolic dimensions, a subject-subject relation. (Weinert 2004, The Scientist as Philosopher, https://a.co/ccm1TpJ)

  14. Meta Capitalism
    March 12, 2023 at 2:15 am

    I reread Wassily Leontief and found interesting his distinction between casual empiricism and factual analysis. Leontief distinguishes between the scientist engaged in casual empiricism, specifically the econometrician, and one engaged in factual analysis. Leontief characterizes the casual empiricist (aka econometrician) as one who is centrally focused on creating formal models based upon assumptions that have not been verified to “possess observable quantitative dimensions” and utilizing increasingly sophisticated statistical tools with a careless attitude of “comfortable self-sufficiency” treating statistical analysis as an “orderly” and “systematic” procedure with few ambiguities and little or no need to go into the field and do some primary research or consider the insights and findings of other fields. A hubris filled carelessness with fact and truth devoid any self-awareness of the social consequences of how their own pseudo-quantitative work summed up as, “If you don’t like my set of assumptions, give me another and I will gladly make another model; have your pick.”[1]
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    He then provides an example of Agricultural Economics to highlight what he means by “factual analysis” and how one might go about it. In this example he lists a few methodologies and practices that provide for research that collects the data and goes beyond “undue reliance on indirect statistical inference” to achieve a deeper understanding what Leontief calls the “structural characteristics and functioning of” of the given target domain under study:
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    To deepen the foundation of our analytical system it will be necessary to reach unhesitatingly beyond the limits of the domain of economic phenomena as it has been staked out up to now…. To penetrate below the skin-thin surface of conventional [econometric mathematical models], it will be necessary to develop a systematic study of the structural characteristics and functioning of [economic targets, e.g., households, etc.], an area in which description and analysis of social, anthropological and demographic factors must obviously occupy the center of the stage. (Leontief 1971, 4)
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    Establishment of systematic cooperative relationships across the traditional frontiers now separating economics from these adjoining fields is hampered by the sense of self-sufficiency resulting from what I have already characterized as undue reliance on indirect statistical inference as the principal method of empirical research. (Leontief 1971, 4)

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    It seems that old ideas are new again, for Leontief’s argument is the same as Spiegler’s (here, and here).
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    Would it be possible to preserve the best of economics while making it less insular, more humble, and more effective? We think so. And we don’t mean just incorporating the ideas of the qualitative social sciences; we also mean reaching out to an area of study that seems especially distant—great literature. Economic insights alone are insufficient when one considers how to foster economic growth in diverse cultures, the moral questions raised when universities pursue self-interest at the expense of their students, or deeply personal issues concerning health care, marriage, and families.5 In their passion for mathematically based explanations, economists struggle in at least three areas: accounting for culture, using narrative explanation, and addressing ethical issues that cannot be reduced to economic categories. (Morson, Gary Saul; Schapiro, Morton. Cents and Sensibility (p. x). Princeton University Press. Kindle Edition.)
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    But it is clear that price isn’t all that matters. In recent years we have learned about a variety of “noneconomic” factors that play a role in whether students go to college and, if they do, which colleges they choose. And we have learned this not just from the traditional analyses economists perform but from other types of studies as well. As you will see, this is an excellent example of how effective policies can be developed by supplementing an economist’s models and empirical techniques with qualitative investigations, and insights suggested by great literature. (Morson, Gary Saul; Schapiro, Morton. Cents and Sensibility (p. 106). Princeton University Press. Kindle Edition.)
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    Where human beings are concerned, stories are an indispensable way of knowing. Whether it is gaining insight from speaking with talented high school students who confound our models by not selecting the colleges they “should,” or learning the history, reading the literature, and studying the culture of places that, despite the best efforts of economic planners, don’t develop the way we expect, there is much to be gained from qualitative approaches. In a world of contingency and narrativeness, stories are essential. Econometric methods and mathematical models teach us so much, but only so much. (Morson, Gary Saul; Schapiro, Morton. Cents and Sensibility (p. 289). Princeton University Press. Kindle Edition.)

  15. Meta Capitalism
    March 12, 2023 at 3:50 am

    Economics, like biology, has gone through a great constriction in the kinds of questions it can ask, the kinds of methodologies—hence evidence—it can consider, and the kinds of theoretical underpinning that are considered “mainstream” or “scientific”:
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    Quasi-Distinct Stretches of Time

    Although today we call the scientific study of the relationship between evolution and development ‘evo-devo’, neither that term, nor its longer counterpart ‘evolutionary developmental biology’, existed before about 1980. Yet the study of the relationship between the two great creative processes of the living world has a much longer history – effectively starting in the nineteenth century, the first century in which there was a well-articulated theory of evolution (first Lamarck’s, then Darwin’s). We generally refer to evo-devo’s nineteenth-century antecedent as ‘comparative embryology’. Although in the subsequent period from about 1900 to 1980 there were further studies of the relationship between evolution and development, there is no collective term for this endeavour, because mainstream developmental biology and evolutionary biology were largely separate undertakings during that stretch of time. The few biologists who tried to deal with the two together over this 80-year period might be described as mavericks. Each of them produced interesting bodies of work, but these did not really link up to form a scientific discipline. (Arthur, Wallace. Understanding Evo-Devo (Understanding Life) (p. 19). Cambridge University Press. Kindle Edition. https://a.co/b9grDMZ )

    The evolutionary synthesis [i.e., neo-Darwinian theory or the Modern Synthesis] came unraveled for me during the period since 1980. Historically, my examination of this period, after editing with Ernst Mayr “The Evolutionary Synthesis” (Mayer and Provine 1980), showed that it was not a synthesis, but rather a systematic diminution of the factors in evolution, and I now call it the “evolutionary constriction” (Provine 1989). The unity of evolutionary biology inherent in the “synthesis” has been replaced by a much more interesting and fascinating complex of different levels marching to different drummers….
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    In 1970 I could see the origins of theoretical population genetics as being an unalloyed good for evolutionary biology, and thus obviously a great subject for an historian. Now I see these same theoretical models of the early 1930s, still widely used today, as an impediment to understanding evolutionary biology, and their amazing persistence in textbooks and classrooms as a great topic for other historians. (Provine, William B. The Origins of Theoretical Population Genetics. Chicago: Chicago University Press; 2001; c1971 pp. 203-204.)

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    In biology the organism and its development became backgrounded, if not completely excluded, from the Modern Synthesis largely because of the successful establishment of a research program in the mathematization of the field of genetics in Morgan’s “fly room.” The individual organism and its development were eclipsed by the statistical analysis of populations and shifting allele frequencies.
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    Starting in the 1990s with the discovery of “deep homology” as revealed in the regulatory genome and epigenetics this is no longer the case. The parallel between biology and economics is interesting and, I believe, would be useful in understanding what is happening within the field of economics today since biology seems to be further along in this process. But alas, comments on a blog are not a place to attempt such a study.

  16. gerald holtham
    March 15, 2023 at 9:55 pm

    understanding”

  17. gerald holtham
    March 15, 2023 at 10:51 pm

    Sorry that comment got lost somehow but the world is not much worse off for losing it and I can’t be bothered to re-write it!

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