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Taking Issue with Dani Rodrik: Trade deficits are different with secular stagnation (see Addendum)

from Dean Baker

I am a big fan of Dani Rodrik’s writings on trade, and I agree with most of what he says in his NYT column today, but I do have one major disagreement. However, before going there let me emphasize some of the key points he makes in the piece.

First, Rodrik is very much on the mark in arguing that recent trade deals, like the Trans-Pacific Partnership, have very little to do with free trade. As he says, these deals are about imposing a corporate-friendly structure of regulations on both our trading partners and the U.S. (The deals have the effect of locking in laws that could otherwise be more easily altered.)

He also is right in singling out the pharmaceutical industry as the biggest villain in this story. We have been using these trade deals to ensure ever longer and stronger patents and related protections. The result is to make drugs, which would otherwise be cheap, extremely expensive. The price of drugs can be a serious burden even in rich countries, but patent protection can make life-saving drugs altogether unaffordable in developing countries. We should be looking to foster alternative, more efficient, mechanisms for financing research, not using trade deals to impose patent monopolies everywhere. 

It’s worth mentioning in this context the effort to impose rules on digital commerce in these trade deals. Folks following the scandals related to Facebook and Twitter’s involvement in the presidential election know that we don’t really have the rules down ourselves. In other words, we do not have a system in place that prevents both foreign and domestic actors from using dishonest means to influence public opinion and interfere with the democratic process. We also don’t have effective systems in place to ensure the privacy of our personal data. These are really big issues that are probably worth getting sorted out before we try to shove a one-size-fits-all model on the rest of the world.

Rodrick is also right to point out that the manufacturing jobs that have been lost due to NAFTA are not coming back pretty much regardless of what the outcome of the current negotiations. NAFTA might have been a bad deal for U.S. workers, but we can’t run history backward. Once factories in the U.S. have been shut, it is very unlikely that companies will look to reopen them, even if the rules on NAFTA are changed. If the result of renegotiation is to make Mexico a less attractive place to manufacture items for the U.S. market, companies would more likely look to China or other developing countries as an alternative platform, rather than moving their operations back to the United States.

The place where I would disagree with Rodrik is his comment that:

“The overall trade deficit of the United States is determined primarily by macroeconomic factors — American consumers’ saving propensities, domestic corporations’ investment behavior and the federal government’s fiscal and monetary policies.”

This is a view that sees U.S. output at being largely fixed and near its full employment level of output. In this story, a lower trade deficit would not mean increased output and employment, it would just mean that we would have less of the other components of demand (consumption, investment, or government spending). We could still care about the trade deficit since it may affect the mix of jobs, but it would not affect aggregate output.

This story might have been arguably true in the years prior to the Great Recession (not in my view, since I think we were often well below full employment levels of output), but it certainly has not been the case in most of the years since the Great Recession. (We are arguably close to full employment now.) Many mainstream economists, like Larry Summers and Ben Bernanke, accept the idea of “secular stagnation.” This means that we faced a sustained shortfall in aggregate demand.

In that context, the trade deficit is not determined by the balance of national savings and national investment. In the world of secular stagnation, if we reduce the trade deficit, say by lowering the value of the dollar, this can lead to increased output and employment. The rise in output and employment leads to higher public and private savings. This means the standard national income accounting identities still hold (the trade deficit equals the gap between national investment and national savings), but the direction of causation goes from trade deficit to national savings, not the other way around.

This is an important point. People are not wrong to be worried about the trade deficit or to think it can be reduced through trade and currency policy (better the latter than the former). Our economy would have looked much better over the last decade if trade had been closer to balanced.

Addendum

In an exchange Dani Rodrik indicated that he agreed about the impact of trade deficits. His piece was referring to the bilateral trade deficit with Mexico.

  1. lobdillj
    November 29, 2017 at 12:37 pm

    If I were an economist I would be alarmed to see a colleague write this: “Many mainstream economists, like Larry Summers and Ben Bernanke,…)

  2. Craig
    November 29, 2017 at 3:05 pm

    Every aspect of the economy could improve….if we recognized a new monetary paradigm and aligned regulation with same. That is the nature and effect of a new paradigm….deep, progressive and transformational change.

  3. patrick newman
    November 29, 2017 at 3:53 pm

    What is full employment? Commentators in the UK are casually referring to 1.42M officially recorded as unemployed (4.3%) as full employment. There are on average 1.8 unemployed persons chasing each vacancy (not accounting for the diversity of skills and experience of both people and vacancies). If the goal is shifting the distribution of income from high earning few to the low income many then we need the economy to be run at hyper full employment – e.g. 1.8 jobs being available to each unemployed person implying ‘irresponsible’ fiscal and monetary policies!

    • November 29, 2017 at 6:08 pm

      If the goal is shifting the distribution of income from high earning few to the low income many then we need the economy to be run at hyper full employment – e.g. 1.8 jobs being available to each unemployed person implying ‘irresponsible’ fiscal and monetary policies!

      Yes, that is what we need. Irresponsible? Hardly.

      It is, in fact, quite disgustingly irresponsible to oppose actions that would optimize the welfare of “the least among us” when it is beyond doubt that doing so would not actually impose any real sacrifice on those who are rich.

      It would actually cost them nothing—in real terms—if they were to heavily tax themselves in order to fund a ‘hyper full employment’ economy.

      Implementing fiscal and monetary policies to bring this achievement about would be THE most supremely responsible thing a political leader could do, since it would do so much good for so many without depriving the elites of any of their material possessions or any of their purchasing power in the marketplace.

      It is definitely a goal worth pursuing…

      • robert locke
        November 30, 2017 at 8:44 am

        Let’s promote the leadership that will do it.

  4. Risk Analyst
    December 1, 2017 at 6:36 pm

    I am kind of surprised to see Dean Baker agree with Dani Rodrik in the article. In addition to the highlighted piece of pure neo-classical economics of how trade works, Rodrik’s other remarks include “that free trade is desirable because it expands the domestic economic pie” and how workers need to be trained to shift their employment in response. I think I could probably find a Milton Friedman piece making the same points. My read of that Rodrik piece is that it is pure neo-classical with a thin veneer of carefully placed anti-Trump and anti-drug company statements to pander to those anti groups for support.

    When the competitive advantage of a country is intellectual, the neo-classical’s model breaks down with intellectual theft where software or drug formulas can be pirated. This is not the 1960s and there is a lot more to trade than oil and wheat as real world economics should acknowledge. A foreign government cannot buy one barrel of oil and make a hundred million copies as can be done with software. Rodrik is using the antipathy (which most of us have) toward these groups to excuse that behavior and, just like Friedman, ignore the institutionalized and government supported manipulation of trade. To sell planes in China, Boeing had to agree to intellectual transfer of aerospace knowledge. Walmart put out a memo to management that all else being equal, their buyers were required to source items from China instead of the US. And the manipulation of FX by governments is rather obvious but impossible to prove as pointed out by smirking bureaucrats. Point being, neo-classical economics fails us in dealing with trade and all I see in that Rodrik piece is a neo-classical write-up with a thin veneer of progressive talking points to rally “me too” support.

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